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Conscious Uncoupling with Katherine Woodward Thomas


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“They’re holding you in that false narrative probably because you’ve enrolled them into that story. You know, we’re always informing other people who we are. So if I have a story, ‘I’m not good enough,’ there’s all sorts of ways that I’m going show up as, ‘I’m inferior and they’re better than me,’ so when they leave because of that, it’s validating the old story. So you have to go in and do this correction on a soul level.”

Katherine Woodward Thomas

This is episode 84 and today I’m here with Katherine Woodward Thomas talking about Conscious Uncoupling. 


Katherine Woodward Thomas is the New York Times bestselling author of Conscious Uncoupling: 5 Steps to Living Happily Even After and Calling in “The One”: 7 Weeks to Attracting the Love of Your Life, as well as an award-winning marriage and family psychotherapist. Over the past two decades, Katherine has had the honor of teaching hundreds of thousands of people from all corners of the globe to create conscious, loving relationships and to realize the higher potentials all their connections hold for health and happiness. Katherine also trains and certifies people to become Certified Calling in “The One” Coaches, and/or Conscious Uncoupling Coaches and provides ongoing supervision and development to a vibrant community of her coaches from around the world.  

She’s a Billboard charting, #1 iTunes jazz artist with her CD, Lucky in Love, which was co-written and co-produced with The Brothers Koren.


Success: We challenge the cultural definition of success in marriage as happily ever after and speak to why. If not longevity, then what?

Pain: We explain why pain and anger can feel so big when we detach? What’s happening from an evolutionary or brain perspective.

Mainstream Divorce: We discuss what’s wrong with how we’ve been doing it—why forge a new way.
Solitary: We cover if we can do this program ourselves even without our partner’s participation or cooperation.

Step 1: Find emotional freedom: We walk through how we can harness the energy of difficult emotions and transform them from destructive to constructive.

Step 2: Reclaim your power and your life: We talk about how we can curate an empowering narrative that takes us out of victimhood.

Step 3: Break the pattern, heal your heart: We address what a source fracture story is and how understanding it can help us break the patterns that are not serving us.

Step 4: Become a love alchemist: We share how we can set an intention for a positive future for all and create conscious completion.

Step 5: Create your happily even after: We address some of the components we should incorporate in building a new life for ourselves.

Ritual: We give recommendations for rituals for uncoupling.

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And while you’re there, take a look around at the brand new website! I’ve really poured my heart into a collaboration with a special designer and I hope it resonates with you as much as it resonates with me and the rest of the Sage Family Villagers, who’ve been weighing in throughout the journey.

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Katherine’s website

Conscious Uncoupling Starter Kit

Conscious Uncoupling book

Conscious Uncoupling Rituals

Alone Again (Naturally) by Michael Bublé and Diana Krall

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